Report: Eagles Front Office Divided on McNabb

Joe Banner Eagles Front Office Disagreement McNabb

Very interesting report as free agency breaks. Sources tell Fox 29 that:

Trading McNabb is not going to be easy because internally the Eagles’ brass wants to move him but Andy Reid does not.

If true, this would be an astounding development. We haven’t heard much about dissension within the Eagles front office since Andy consolidated power a few years back. But certainly Reid and Joe Banner (since those are pretty much the only two personalities we’re talking about here — with new GM Howie Roseman likely just a pawn on one side or the other) have slightly different outlooks and motivations. Andy may feel more connected to Donovan and want him to stay, while Banner and others see current public opinion as an opportunity to turn the page.

On the other hand, of course, this report plays far too easily into the stereotypes we already have for Banner & Co. as the evil money-hoarders. Reid appears to have pretty much total control over all football decisions these days, and his new contract proves  that’s with Banner’s approval. Therefore, it would shock me if there really was such a huge gap between Reid and the so-called “Eagles Brass” over this.

Another interesting thing to think about: if Banner is the “fall guy” (not that he’s going anywhere) for a McNabb trade decision, will the Philly fans be happy McNabb is finally gone or be mad at Banner? Sounds like this could give them the opportunity to be both if they want — a win-win for the mindless trolls!

The Vick Watch: Latest Notes and Rumors

Michael Vick as Eagle Notes and Rumors

Checking in with a few interesting notes on the Michael Vick front.

First, Michael Lombardi at NFP says the Eagles won’t move Vick for less than a 2nd round pick:

You think that’s too much? Not really if you understand that if they hold on to him and he becomes a free agent in 2011, then signs with another team, the Eagles would probably get a compensatory third-round pick. So it makes sense to ask for a second rounder right now.

I’m not sure where Lombardi gets his information, or why he’s so sure the Eagles would get a 3rd rounder. It seems like he’s counting on Vick signing a large deal in free agency 2011 and playing relatively well — as, for example, Asante Samuel did to give the Patriots a 3rd round pick in last year’s draft.

That combination of factors seems awfully unlikely to me, but if it’s true, this would be one very good reason to keep Vick around. Read more about how compensatory picks are awarded here.

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Sam over at IgglesBlog has a great write-up on what exactly it means for the Eagles to keep Vick past the $1.5 million bonus due March 10th.

From an Eagles perspective, they are really buying a draft pick for $1.5 million. So in order for paying Vick $1.5 million to make sense, the expected present value of that pick must be $1.5 million, above and beyond what that pick would make in comp.

This is something I’ve also been thinking about. Substitute “draft pick” for “deal” in this equation: Later deal > Deal now + $1.5 million bonus. The Eagles would have to be thinking this in order to think about paying Vick.

That equation does change based on a number of other factors — such as how uncertain the front office is about who will start under center in 2010, what Vick would net the Eagles as a compensatory pick, whether Andy still loves the wildcat offense.

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A column on Fox Sports gives maybe the most pessimistic take of he Vick trade market to date:

All Vick proved last season is that he could keep his nose clean. Besides, now that he’s being totally honest and telling everyone that he didn’t work as hard as he could have with the Falcons, why does it mean that he deserves a fat new deal and a starting gig? The Eagles may be stuck with Vick until a team loses a starter in training camp.

Can’t say I totally disagree. As an Eagles fan, though, I hope some team is willing to take the chance on Vick’s excitement-factor.

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Oh, and also, Vick seems to like the Panthers’ uniforms. For the record, I think Vick would be ecstatic to be anywhere competing for a starting job next season.

How Good Is Donovan McNabb Really? Part 2!

Donovan McNabb Passing Stats

So a couple weeks back I took a look at some of Football Outsiders’ stats on Donovan McNabb to gauge how good he actually is and how good he might be over the next couple years. Go check out that post if you haven’t already, but in this part I’m going to dive into some other stats to see if they match up to the same picure the DVOA ranks gave us.

I gathered new information from the awesome site Advanced NFL Stats. The author over there, Brian Burke, puts some great stats up on all sorts of statistical parts of the NFL. But he just launched a section that breaks down stats by postions. It’s fabulous stuff. And while the individual player pages aren’t live yet, you can manipulate your url to get to them pretty easily. Check out McNabb here. Westbrook here. DeSean here. Etc.

As I talked about last time, it’s difficult to compare stats across multiple years, because the overall game changes so much. For example with McNabb, his 2009 stats look great compared to his past performance, until you realize many quarterbacks did a lot better last year. To get a true sense of McNabb’s “value” you have to look at how he ranked against the other quarterbacks in each stat. Thus, each stat below is shown based on how McNabb stacked up, not the exact number he got. (Random caveat: all of the Advanced Football Stats include playoff numbers.)

Alright, let’s dive in. The first stat is Win Probability Added (WPA), which “measures each play in terms of how much it increased or decreased a team’s chances of winning the game.” You can get the statistical breakdown of what that means at the link, but Burke also describes how we can utilize it:

WPA is what I call a narrative stat. Its purpose is not to be predictive of future play or to measure the true ability of a player or team. It simply measures the impact of each play toward winning and losing… And although we still can’t separate an individual player’s performance from that of his teammates’, we add up the total WPA for plays in which individual players took part. This can help us see who really made the difference when it matters most. It can help tell us who is, or at least appears to be, “clutch.” It can also help inform us who really deserves the player of the week award, the selection to the Pro Bowl, or even induction into the Hall of Fame.

McNabb has been involved in so many plays with the Eagles that looking at his WPA probably says as much about the offense and other factors as anything else. But it’s still a useful place to start. Where does McNabb rank year over year:

Donovan McNabb Win Probability Added

The numbers are incredibly volatile, but the list of top quarterbacks who lead in the category last year looks pretty accurate — so we know it’s worth a look. Not sure if the trendline there is helpful, but I left it on. McNabb has had three relatively middling years according to WPA, after posting two top 10 seasons over a three year span from 2004-2006. Clearly not elite anymore.

Let’s look at some more stats. Success Rate is:

the percent of plays in which the player participated that result in an increase in net expected point advantage. SR measures consistency as opposed to the total magnitude of each play’s outcome.

Ah consistency, McNabb’s bugaboo. Let’s see what it says.

Donovan McNabb Success Rate

Well that pretty much jives with our expectations, doesn’t it? Only one year (2004) of above average success rate. Everything else since then is mediocre at best. Last year McNabb posted a 47.7% success rate, which basically tied him with the dynamic duo of David Garrard and Kyle Orton. For comparison’s sake, Peyton Manning had 56.6%. Clearly McNabb is not the most accurate or consistent quarterback. Part of that may be on Andy Reid’s offense as well. Would it change under a new quarterback? Tough to tell, but this clearly isn’t (and has never been) a great indicator for Donovan.

Moving on to Adjusted Yards per Attempt, calculated as (PassYds - SkYds - 45*Ints)/(PassAtt + Sks). It’s supposed to be a more accurate indicator than simple YPA.

Donovan McNabb Adjusted Yards Per Attempt

AYPA is a little more kind to McNabb than the other two stats, placing him at about the top ten mark over the last three years. Certainly that’s a solid, if unspectacular, rank. However, we still see the general trend upwards and then a more recent decline/plateau.

So what to do with all of these numbers? We’ve got our traditional stats, our Football Outsiders, our Advanced NFL Stats. Where’s the middle ground? What’s the takeaway?

I think this might be the point:

Donovan McNabb Passing Stats Ranks

I combined all McNabb’s ranks from this time, plus all those from last time, into one handy graph and worked out the average line. I think looking at all of these at once is helpful. Some ideas:

Are any one of these stats “more reliable” than another? Doubt it. But we can see which ones rank McNabb higher and which grade him out lower than average. Derek’s traditional stats, for example, are consistently higher than the other statistics. That goes against the whole “Is McNabb Under-Appreciated?” meme and at least poses the question, “Is McNabb slightly over-estimated?” based on regular numbers. Those stats still follow the same basic trend as everything else though.

2005 was just an off, bad year. The Eagles were in the smack middle of McNabb’s prime and TO and injuries and everything had to ruin it. Should have been a top 5 season for Donovan. Still makes me mad.

The various numbers bunch up much more during McNabb’s most successful seasons. That could be due to a couple different factors. It may be that a good offensive year means many of these stats will show high performance, whereas a mediocre offensive year finds some things that are working and some that are not. Or it could be that as you put up a middle-of-the-bell-curve season it’s easier to slip around a few slots in the QB rankings than it is when you put up spectacular numbers.

Regardless, the average line there makes a pretty good case, by factoring out as much individual statistical bias as possible, that McNabb has been barely more than average over the last few years. Yes, the numbers are all tied to other factors, like wide receiver performance and offensive line play and coaching decisions and defensive variance. But those things have all (except for coaching) changed drastically over the last three years while McNabb’s play stayed fairly constant.

If you believe this analysis, it’s tough to say McNabb is really worth keeping around over Kevin Kolb, at least for much longer. An “average” quarterback just isn’t worth that much — especially if he’s older. His play, and trade value, is only likely to decline from here. We could expect (although not guarantee) at least similar performance from Kolb in a cheaper, younger version with more upside.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

Breathless Rumor: Eagles Will Pay Vick Bonus

Michael Vick Trade Roster Bonus

So over at PFT the headline “Report: Eagles to pay Vick’s bonus” caught my eye, as it may have yours. And the report says with such certainty:

Citing “multiple league sources,” Geoff Mosher of the Delaware News Journal reports that the Eagles fully intend to pay Michael Vick’s $1.5 roster bonus, due March 5, and trade him thereafter.

Wow. That sounds pretty definitive, like Mosher found out from the Eagles front office that the team has decided to keep, then trade Vick. But what did Mosher actually discover?

Multiple league sources have told me that they anticipate the Eagles paying Vick’s 1.5 [million dollar] roster bonus and holding onto Vick for as long as possible to get the best available offer.

Oh. So the “Eagles fully intend to pay” wasn’t quite so definitive. It was just PFT’s interpretation… of another reporter’s interpretation… of multiple random league sources’ interpretations… of what they think the Eagles might do. In other words, a few league guys shooting the breeze at the combine said they think the Eagles would probably end up holding on to Vick for a little while, which Mosher buried in a story about Leonard Weaver contract negotiations — because it isn’t news.

Then PFT got a hold of that story and the flawless brand of journalism propagated by Florio’s crew turned it into something akin to “OMG LOOK AT THIS BREAKING NEWS: EAGLES TO KEEP VICK.”

Sigh.

Are the "Moons lining up" for a McNabb trade?

Combine Timers NFL Rumors

Paul Domovitch kicks off the NFL Scouting Combine with this great piece on why the Eagles are in a good position as all the coaches, scouts, and general managers descend on Indianapolis:

Any general manager who tries to tell you he can’t wait to go to war next season with Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buffalo) or Keith Null (St. Louis) or Brady Quinn (Cleveland) or Alex Smith (San Francisco) or JaMarcus Russell (Oakland) or Matt Moore (Carolina) as his starting quarterback is either lying or dumb as a post.

Few of the league’s many quarterback-needy teams are going to have their SOS answered in the draft. Heading into the combine, just two QBs - Sam Bradford, of Oklahoma, and Jimmy Clausen, of Notre Dame - are considered first-round worthy. And both have issues that could affect their draft stock.

It’s a point that’s been made many times, but Domo sums it up as well as anyone. Success in the NFL is predicated on a number of factors, with quarterback play high on the list. So many teams are unsettled at the position that the Eagles having multiple options is fabulous leverage.

This position didn’t come by accident. I’m convinced Andy Reid and others in the front office knew exactly what they were setting themselves up for when they went out on a limb and signed Michael Vick.

Domo also gets a great quote from an NFL person who has “worked with Reid” (and has a fiery, no-bullshit tone that is the exact opposite of Andy’s):

“The timing’s perfect. The moons are lining up to do it. His contract [he has 1 year left on his current deal]. The demand out there for him. It all depends on what they think of Kolb, and every indication I’ve gotten is that Andy loves the [bleep] out of the kid. If they’re convinced he’s ready, you pull the trigger.

“Really, what are they going to do? Try and squeeze 1 more year out of him and then trade him? His trade value never is going to be higher than it is right now, particularly given the [quarterback] market. And if Kolb is legit, sitting on the bench another year isn’t going to make him any more ready.”

Haha, “Andy loves the [bleep] out of the kid.” Just a guess, but I’m thinking the source is John Harbaugh. Any other ideas?

Whoever it is, I agree completely: “The moons [multiple, of course] are lining up to do it.” Considering McNabb’s age, contract, and the stated atrocious quarterback market, even if he has another solid year, Donovan’s value is only going down from this point.

If Andy wants to set the team up best for the long term, he should probably trade McNabb now. If he’s still committed to McNabb personally and thinks they can make one more run, then maybe he won’t just yet. But that decision would probably not be maximizing the value of the loaded QB position the team has now.

Regardless, look forward to a fun week from the NFL combine. Be very scared: Hot Stove Cometh.

Welcome to the Spin Zone: From Andy Reid's Mouth to Our Newspapers

Everything anyone says on the Eagles 2010 quarterback decision gets read over and over, analyzed to death. With good reason — after all, we’re just trying to figure out what the hell is going to happen here.

The problem is, its tough sometimes to tell who’s putting more spin in their words: Andy Reid and other members of the Eagles front office, or the newspaper reporters who write about them.

For example, here’s Les Bowen on Andy’s latest statement regarding McNabb:

There was no indication yesterday that No. 5 will be moving on, however. In fact, when Eagles coach Andy Reid was asked who will pick up the leadership slack with Westbrook gone, he said: “Well, Donovan is obviously here.”

Reid keeps saying McNabb will be here. Perhaps notably, other team officials, instead of enthusiastically endorsing the wisdom of sticking with McNabb, continue to affirm Reid’s status as the guy who will make the call.

“Andy Reid is the leader of this organization, and he speaks for all of us,” general manager Howie Roseman said yesterday.

Andy made a seemingly clear statement: McNabb is the team leader. And Roseman backed him up.

But Bowen puts a particular spin on it, telling his readers that when Howie says “he speaks for all of us,” the new GM isn’t supporting Reid’s decision on the matter, he’s just loading him with the responsibility.

The point here is not that Bowen is wrong. Certainly the Eagles front office is very tricky. We know that even if they were shopping McNabb it would be in their best interest to pretend he’s in Philly to stay.

Rather, the broader point is that any statement from anyone can be read and interpreted to mean whatever they want it to mean. These quotes could be presented as, “Eagles Front Office Stands United, Backs McNabb for 3rd Time.” (Update: Just to prove my point, PFT does exactly that.) Or, they could be used as Les does.

Welcome to the spin zone, everyone. Keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle.

Westbrook's Release Clears the Way for a McNabb Trade?

Brian Westbrook Donovan McNabb Cut

The idea that the release of Brian Westbrook yesterday makes it easier for the Eagles to trade McNabb is one that has made its way around the internet. Westbrook even made the point on 97.5 this morning.

In an abstract sense I suppose this is the case since general turnover always makes the oldest (and highest-paid) guys less likely to remain. After all, if you’re moving on at running back, why not change quarterbacks as well?

But ultimately I think both decisions are separate football ones.

Westbrook wasn’t even offered a restructured deal to keep him here for less money. He was cut because the organization deemed him not a good enough player anymore. With his knee problems and concussions, Westbrook has suffered a rapid decline in a year. Hopefully he still has some good seasons left in him, but they won’t be with the Eagles — if they come at all.

The decision on McNabb is going to be made based on football reasons as well; the Eagles haven’t instituted some kind of widespread clearing out of veterans. If they get a good enough offer and think Kolb is ready to step in, then they might make a deal. But no one considers McNabb to be as far down the opposite side of his career as Westbrook (ah RB, the youngsters’ position).

Let’s not get carried away with implications.

Eagles Looking at Free Agent QBs?

Eagles Free Agent Quarterback Choices Koy Detmer

Most of the NFL chatter has the Eagles sending quarterbacks away. Michael Vick should be out the door (sooner rather than later), and Donovan McNabb may not be far behind.

But if either or both of these QBs are traded, the team’s depth at the position instantly takes a hit. Suddenly the Eagles will be in the market for a quarterback — especially if Kevin Kolb is named the starter, meaning the Eagles need a capable veteran back up.

While Koy Detmer probably won’t be coming out of retirement, here are a couple replacements.

Most likely:

  • A.J. Feeley — You get the feeling Feeley wouldn’t mind starting somewhere else. He signed with Carolina during last season thinking that might be a possibility. But is he likely to have it better some place other than Philly? I doubt it.
  • Jeff Garcia — Another guy who knows Andy Reid, Philadelphia, and the system. Brought in last year to back up Kolb, he definitely could be an option this offseason if McNabb is jettisoned.

Interesting other options, if the previous reliable ones aren’t available:

  • Jason Campbell — Campbell’s a guy who all of us Eagles fans hate, because as bad as the Redskins tend to be, he always gives the Philly defense fits. There’s a good chance he’ll get tendered for a year by Washington while Shanahan grooms a new QB. But if Campbell gets cuts loose , and doesn’t see a bright path to a starting job elsewhere, I could see Andy, Donovan McNabb’s mentor, being an attractive career-reviver.
  • Tavaris Jackson — Ought to get tendered. If he doesn’t, could be attractive in Philly since he knows the system.
  • Chad Pennington — Will probably get a job starting for another year somewhere ahead of a young draft pick (STL ?). And if he can’t get that why not go back to Parcells in Miami? Mostly just a safe pick if the Eagles can’t grab an obvious choice.

Random fliers:

  • Patrick Ramsey — Career backup. Not a fabulous option.
  • Dante Culpepper — It would be pretty funny if the Eagles sent McNabb away and brought in his (much less successful) draft peer. Yay, long ball.
  • Rex Grossman — Who knows.

Did I miss anyone? Going to put up another post soon on quarterback draft prospects the Eagles might look at this year. Check back for that one.